Man of Steel answers insight commentary episode 10 we have a plan DCC you news suicide squad and all of the obvious question start asking questions and answers welcome to Man of Steel answers insight commentary on your Man of Steel apologist Dr. awkward I cover a mosaic of topics for fans who love discussing the Man of Steel and the DC cinematic universe together will endeavor to answer the questions criticisms and controversies raised by Man of Steel to predict their impact on the eagerly anticipated DC cinematic universe today looking at Jor-El's plan to stop the kryptonian's it's one of the most commonly criticized parts of the film were detractors offer alternatives without really thinking them through will work in a think them through a little walk you through the elements of the plan and show why it was probably the best plan that they could come up with given the time and the information that they had available will also briefly go over the DCC you news including the recent suicide squad announcement and see if there's anything that we can learn from flash versus arrow and answers some mail back questions this podcast dives deep into Man of Steel answer the critics and the confused the show is not meant to convert anybody but the celebrate a film that will lead us into the DC cinematic universe reasonable minds will differ but this is a show for fans who love to Man of Steel and who love to chew their food something to start with the elements of the plan what we have and explore the alternatives and why they're inferior to Jor-El's plan and along the way will tackle the related plot hole allegations the layout the elements and the basic justification and that will go back and explore each point the first of all the plan required a singularity it required timing required coordination and then it required an assignment of tasks so the singularity it's Cal Al ship which is necessary for creating the singularity which is a weakness specific to the black zero the plan required specific timing it had to happen after the release of the world engine and while the Phantom drive was active on both the black zero and callow ship the plan required coordination it had to be in near simultaneous strike a sequential approach would've been disastrous and he gives up the advantage of the singularity and finally the had to be an assignment of tasks Superman's assignment to the world engine makes best use of humanity's cooperation and avoids the risk of losing Superman to the singularity Superman is capable of tackling the world engine and humanity is capable of delivering the ship the reverse is not clearly true so that's the overview what's going talk about these points individually first off we got timing and one of the questions that relates to Jor-El's plan is why did it have to happen when it happened there is a popular and amusing video covering the Man of Steel by the folks at how it should've ended if you watch the videos I think it's clear that may have an affection for Superman and the points raised in the videos are intended primarily for comedic effect rather than any malice towards the film of the character they of course raised a number of alleged issues which I'll be covering eventually but today were focused on Jor-El's plan in the how it should ended video they raise the alternative strategy or quote unquote ending of Superman blitzing the black zero but unexpectedly delivering his ship to the black zero while the ultimatum clock was still taking and while the black zero was in orbit this would not have worked Phantom drives must be active and on in order for the singularity to be created if the Phantom drive being on was irrelevant and there was no point to Dr. Hamilton's contribution out of the film makes it evident that his activation of Cal Al ship is vital while the how it should've ended video shows Cal Al ship crackling with energy and presumably with its Phantom drive active it is been missing the activation of the Phantom drive on the black zero the black zero is perfectly capable of operating without the Phantom drive online this is proven by the fact that it operated as such before Zide managed to retrofit and the projector into a hyperdrive nothing we see about the black zero's operation after its arrival in our solar system and before the release of the world engine represent something that we haven't already seen accomplished without a hyperdrive as proven by the sentencing seen on krypton and of course this is all made much more clear when Zide explicitly states putting the Phantom drive on mine make it quite clear that it was off-line prior to his statement now by way of quick explanation why did Zide bring the Phantom drive online and that is to make it slaved to and provide energy to the world engine so what that means is that any plan intending to use the singularity had to happen after the release of the world engine a preemptive attack like the one proposed by how it should've ended would've done nothing but has the kryptonian's off and forfeit Cal Al ship the kryptonian's had no intention of leaving our solar system so the one and only thing that would cause them to spin up that Phantom drive is the deployment of the world engine Jor-El's plan hinged on this fact which would make the plan stupid if deployment of the world engine was optional or unlikely however as we've already discussed in the mailbag last episode it was completely reasonable for Jor-El to anticipate that Zide always intended to terraform earth it's why he could relate a reliable plan to Lois even before Zide had release the world engine now if you don't like that reasoning Zide explicitly tells Clark that the foundation has to be built on something combining it with imagery of earth being terraform it while in the dream machine if the dream machine is a part of the ship and Jor-El had access to that aspect of the ship and he could have been explicitly aware of's odds plans without having to predict or anticipate them either way the point remains Zide says that it must be quote unquote build on something meaning that the terraform process can be built on nothing they cannot simply terraform any old rock so we know that the world engine is going to be set loose on earth we know that the Phantom drive is going to be spun up for it so Jor-El's counterattack plan had to occur after the deployment of the world engine and only that to that we go on to our next element of coordination it's along the same or similar lines as timing Jor-El's plan required a coordinated strike if the plan is for a nearly simultaneous strike then you have the question of assignment which of the two prongs should be Superman's responsibility if however the plan is for consecutive or sequential strikes then the assignment question is raised and the question is which of the prongs should Superman strike first since Jor-El's plan calls for concurrent strikes let's explore quite consecutive strikes by Superman are a bad idea first thing that two basic approaches and the and the first is that Superman takes the world engine on the other is that Superman takes the black zero on first let's look at the first approach and in the first approach Superman is taking on the world engine then he's got a fly back to metropolis pick up his ship and deliver it to the black zero will as we just discussed in the previous timing element there's a serious timing issue with that with the world engine destroyed there's no reason to keep the Phantom drive active and spun off as we discussed in last episode the Phantom drive is a finite resource its invention didn't solve krypton's resource dilemma or stop them from mining their own courts of the kryptonian's would have every reason to deactivate the Phantom drive after the world engine have been destroyed if there given the time to do this with a sequential or consecutive strike than the singularity aspect the plan goes out the window and now Superman has to fight a ship full of angry kryptonian's when he has struggled to fight even just to in the second approach Superman takes on the black zero first and then he goes off the fight the world engine well let's quickly talk about the logistics of Superman by himself or more or less by himself delivering the ship even if we assume that Superman has no problem carrying or transporting the ship quickly and that's a big assumption because we never actually seen him move anything that large while flying even when it would have made sense in the movie to do so for example during the rescue of Lois in the escape pod if he could do it and if you could move the pod at high-speed without turning Lois into jelly inside that would of made sense for them to bring the pod to ground-level very quickly and then rescue her from the pod safely on the ground as opposed to the mid-air rescue that we saw but ignoring that let's assume that he can still carry things and move things without much trouble Superman has to work out a way to activate it in midflight or else he has to double his speed now why in the reason is because it's reasonable to assume that the activation of a Phantom drive is something that would've been picked up by the black zero sensors that explains why under this plan they have not tested the engine before attacking if they had tested it that would've been an invitation for Zonta send dropship's to attack or intercept callow ship even before got off the ground this also explains why Dr. Hamilton and Lois were on the C-17 they were there to deal with any emergent issues that arose and in fact that's exactly what Dr. Hamilton does and is also when Lois does albeit not for particularly complex issue but Hamilton is the one that figures out the alignment issue and Lois is the one who is able to share her first-hand experience that the command key should be flush with the console the military wanted Hamilton there to tackle the unexpected and Lois got herself there based on her first hand receipt of Jor-El's plan and experience aboard a kryptonian vessel even if she tries to convey everything she knows fully to others to execute who knows what emergent issues may arise which trigger fact or memory which she's uniquely pretty to I don't think that she withheld knowledge in order to gain a journalistic advantage while the fate of the world hung in the balance but I do believe that she would volunteer her presence to the military for the reasons that I've described and in the process gain a journalistic advantage as she says or what can I say I get writer's block if I'm not wearing a flak jacket now aside from having limited information on what turning on a Phantom drive what do we see that when it is turned on it sends out a field which throws Lois from the plane we also see that the ship is not infinitely durable they are a is able to casually then the whole of the ship when she searches it for the codecs so transporting is vital piece of technology at high speeds may or may not be something that it can withstand now putting all of that aside let's pretend that delivering the ship is effortless and effective you still have a major issue in that Superman attacking the black zero first may lead the world engine intact with no one to stop it this issue overlaps with the assignment element so will discuss that right now so the other two elements of the singularity in the assignment and assuming a nearly simultaneous strike you have the option of assigning Superman to either the world engine or the black zero humanity gets whichever one Superman is not assigned to now remember that the singularity-based plan requires the delivery of the ship and its Phantom drive into proximity with another Phantom drive remember that the world engine does not have a Phantom drive the world engine was recovered from the dead colonies from the age of exploration predating Jor-El's Phantom drive technology by thousands of years that means simply that the world engine is not susceptible to the singularity-based attack that the black zero is vulnerable to it also means of the world engine is not dependent on the black zero's Phantom drive to operate because clearly the world engine was built and deployed before Phantom drives existed that means that the world engine will continue to run even if the black zero is destroyed first if Superman takes on the world engine humanity can still deliver the ship to exploit the singularity weakness against the black zero however if Superman takes on the black zero even if you can as we discussed above humanity has no clear weakness to exploit against the world engine the fact that Zide deployed it without escorts suggests that the world engines defenses would be more than sufficient to protect it from anything that humanity could throw at it so even if we ignore this glaring issue with that version of the plan there is the serious problem of Superman being the one to trigger the singularity and that's the possibility that he gets sucked into it you may recall us discussing this in our very first episode explaining why Lois can freefall all other things are sucked into the singularity in brief things that were either bathed in Phantom zone energy when struck by the gravity beam or whatever has already been inside the Phantom zone would be drawn back towards the Phantom zone through the singularity now obviously's odds crew has been in the Phantom zone since they were incarcerated there however you may have overlooked the fact that Superman has also been through the Phantom zone as well when he journeyed to earth as a baby the Phantom drive on his ship allowed him to pass through the Phantom zone to get to earth from krypton and that's why Superman had to fight the pull of the singularity when rescuing Lois now we know that Superman can just escape the singularity when he rescues Lois from falling however Jor-El wouldn't know that and this is Jor-El's plan now even if we assume that the conditions would be identical had Superman been the one to trigger the singularity sending Superman against the black zero doesn't make sense because the scope of his powers are undefined an unknown to Jor-El as Jor-El says you've grown stronger here than I could ever have imagined the only way to know how strong is to keep testing your limits that means that Superman's ability to resist the singularity is an unknown and X factor and even if Jor-El had held no sentimentality towards the survival of his one and only son it makes no sense to take the uncertain risk of losing Superman against the black zero and then have no one left to fight the world engine when you have a perfectly viable alternative to break this down even further if you send Superman to take on the black zero there's basically three outcomes the first outcome is that he fails until now we've given him the benefit of a lot of assumptions that he can carry the ship without issue they can approach it without being detected or intercepted that he can circumvent the gravity field and at the Phantom drive will arrive activated and intact all of those are convenient assumptions and it's possible that the don't all come together and that Superman fails will obviously that's not a great outcome the second outcome is that Superman is swallowed up by the singularity and that leaves us with the world engine still set to wipe out humanity it leaves us with Zide in a scout ship and no motivation to stop it now Zide may decide that the growth codecs on the scout ship is enough and restart krypton that way however since he was disinclined even towards natural birth I think he may be simply content to turn earth into a planetary scale headstone for his fallen people in the third outcome is that Superman survives the singularity and now he sets off aerobically to stop the world engine well remember how difficult it was for Superman to defeat the world engine in the first place he was left on his back exhausted reaching towards the sun now imagine Superman tackling that same task while simultaneously trying to fight's odd in the scout ship remember that the dropship weapons were able to knock Superman out long enough to effectuate's odds retreat from small bill the scout ship also has weapons which took out the C-17's escort so you have weapons of that magnitude exile disposal you have the world engine itself and finally you have Zide an extremely motivated's odd under this scenario Zide still has everything he needs to make his dreams come true if he kills Colwell he will have the codecs he has the Genesis chamber from the scout ship and he has the world engine to terraform the planet meanwhile Superman is under the clock to stop the world engine before humanity is exterminated now maybe Superman could overcome all these odds why would Jor-El issue a plan that stacks the deck against yourself when he's got that perfect viable alternative and so Jor-El's plan is clearly the best it overcomes all of these issues plaguing the proposed alternatives in makes efficient use of the singularity the propose alternatives cause you to lose your window in the lease earth to fight an entire ship for kryptonian's angry at the destruction of the world engine the timing of Jor-El's plan works the plan anticipates a strike after the Phantom drive is active after the world engine downed but before the kryptonian's deactivate or spin down the Phantom drive and finally the division of tasks was the best possible assignment Superman can handle the world engine and the military could handle the delivering of the ship you reverse it and you risk losing Superman to the singularity and you leave earth to fend for itself against the world engine and Zide so there you have it nowhere near as concise or comedic is how it should have ended but logically sound and consistent the characters within the film are acting rationally and intelligently the problem is written of answers since I last episode we've had two big pieces of DCC you use the announcement of wonder woman's director and the announcement of suicide squads cast Hollywood reporter broke the exclusive that Michelle McLaren has been signed to direct wonder woman while this is a reputable trade magazine like variety note that the news is reported but not official the press may have personally confirm this report but to date there has been no direct comment announcement or press release by Warner Bros. I'm not saying you can't take it to the bank that she signed but be cognizant of the fact that the WB has not officially announced or confirmed this yet most likely there waiting for a writer before the issue a formal press release so will discuss it then on the other hand the WB has given us a wealth of information confirming and killing many of the rumors swirling around the next film to follow BBS suicide squad we know that filming begins in April so it was vital that those contracts be secured in a timely fashion who's the suicide squad you ask what is no better person than Amanda Waller herself to explain it to you on the mayor know any agent or say market the runaway and where he is to send me know your hand on that was an excerpt from Batman assault on Arkham a direct to video feature by Warner Bros. animation be advised if you haven't been keeping up with these animated features they are tending to be darker and more graphic and more violate lately nonetheless there well-made by some the most talented people in the domestic animated business I continue to support them because the more product that they produce which is well received the more that can again made giving us more chances to come back around to Superman the justice league and the other characters in DC's pantheon another reason I'm talking this feature up so much is because I guarantee that a copy of this animation was sent to each and every cast member and their agents and the representation to entice them into being a part of the live-action feature film a pitch becomes much more tangible when you have something like this to refer to as a quick aside Warner Bros. bought into the matrix on the strength the storyboards hair by graphic artists and comic book artist brought in by the Witkowski's the utterly cheesy shoot them up managed to snag a studio using a 17 minute hand animated real showing off some of the action scenes so having something like this to show your talent can be a powerful leader in hopefully this bodes well for Warner Bros. animation whose profitability is sometimes given a pass is R&D our research and development will of it saves you a lengthy and expensive talent search and it helps you real in top talent it's production cost more than pays for itself all that said many are looking to assault on Arkham as a shot for shot template for suicide squad and I hope that is in the case based on the characters that have been cast I think we can know that it won't be the case now speaking of the characters and cast list just run them down for the characters we've got the professionals in the crazy though if were honest they're all crazy first we got Rick flag who is a rank military officer the gets recruited into the suicide squad by Waller he generally plays the role of handler and straight man but he's not without his own issues what is inclusion in the roster may suggest isn't that this suicide squad is government run not the private military doesn't exist but there is an aspect of duty and service that traditionally dries flag and despite this dark side to the governments underbelly flags inclusion suggest that they are willing to follow some rules that require a handler like We got dead shot Floyd Lawton he's a marksman an assassin for hire who is one of the most adapted DC villains ever appearing in a wide range of shows and games etc. some of his portrayals have has him as a remorseless gentleman serial killer while others have him bordering on a soldier with a heart of gold doing what he can to get back to his family his adaptation here can serve as a litmus test of how comic book he the DCC you is going to get dead shot also has a flamboyant costumes which includes a cybernetic eyepiece and wrist mounted firearms you can see a wide spectrum of possible adaptation with these elements next week up boomerang as the press release calls and traditionally Capt. boomerang or digger Harkness or George Harkness in the justice league Unlimited also falls into a similar category we can see how gadget he they want to get with the from weapons he's traditionally a flash villain but generally not regarded as one so important as to warrant a feature film so he's perhaps the most disposable of this disposable team if you watched the arrow half the flash and how crossover this week you can see that they did a decent job of making him a viable threatened justifying his boomerangs as intelligently guided munitions with variable payloads which double as effective close range weaponry basically he can hit URL cover his boomerangs can carry tricks would ordinary bullets don't like explosives and the work is nice close-up older rumors suggested that Harkness would be emphasized as a throne weapons specialist and that could distinguish him as stealthy compared to dead shots firearms their mutual talent for accuracy is a set up for some gags competition so onto the crazies but just a quick hint from the press release them generally for press releases the order of the cast announcement indicates the size of their role so while Jared O is an Academy award winner portraying the iconic Joker you may notice that dead shot flagon Harley Quinn come before him and if you're curious incidentally Henry cavil is Clark Kent in Superman precedes Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne and Batman in their press releases some going to talk about Joker but there's reason to suspect that he may be sprinkled in like seasoning on this film and have a smaller role than even Harley Quinn jokers undoubtedly the most iconic character in this lineup I dare say that even if the rumors of Lex Luther be included in this film are true that won't change anything the fact that Batman is a weary veteran and that Harley is in this film means that the for the first time on film were getting a Joker with a history that goes beyond a flamboyant debut rather than being a candle burning brightly from both ends this is a Joker that has gone the distance with the bat and that's actually more in line with the Joker from the comics this is a Joker who isn't so insane as to self-destruct while locked in combat with Batman for years a Joker actually able to have at least one relationship with Harley that kind of Joker might be able to have a place on the squad he might be able to team up with Luther or have a seat in the secret society or Legion of doom however as many have suggested he may simply play Hannibal Lecter type role without giving away too much Harley Quinn is easily the second most iconic character on this list despite being created in the early 90s she has quickly rose and prominence there may be an amplification on the efficacy of martial arts and acrobatics to justify harlequins combat contributions if any but I think I preferred if they emphasize her fractured mind and her skills as a psychotherapist we might get some of that bubbly insane airhead but I don't wanted to be so far gone that her position on the squad is unreasonable undoubtedly Harleys can bring some much-needed levity to an otherwise dark stuff she represents a history with Joker meaning that the world of weird in the DCC you predates Superman's debut however like everyone else mentioned this far nothing supernatural paranormal or superpowered is required and that brings us to enchantress who is potentially the most powerful member if they maintain that she has magical powers it's possible to do a spin on the character where she's not actually powered or if it's somewhat ambiguous for example if she was a mentalist or has similar low key abilities that can be interpreted either as magic or stagecraft however if the Duke of supernatural enchantress could conceivably harm even Superman not because Superman's allergic to magic mind you but because he is as susceptible to things with the five the laws of science as anyone else that rant is another episode enchantress is a more powerful being trapped within the young female artist June moon June has been portrayed is fighting the enchantress as an evil secondary personality making June come off as perhaps mentally ill traditionally she's been beholden to the suicide squad not because of coercion but because she's promised a means of banishing or handling this enchantress entity as the character comes last in the press release I don't know that they're going to go that big with a character necessarily we talked about the characters so let's talk about the cast headlined by Will Smith he's got nothing to prove but if he did doing an ensemble is one way of putting to rest the allegations and to remind people that he's a talented actor and not just a celebrity this is a two-time Academy award nominee for best actor we have Tom Hardy who is able to completely disappear into a roll and is no stranger to playing a soldier there's been some concern about whether being pain in the dark Knight rises will confuse audiences but given the mask and the affected way of speaking at think it's a complete nonissue if you want to talk about range he's a man who played Bronson and is playing Elton John in the rocket man by optic he's a strong and seasoned actor Margot Robbie is a rising star I've yet to watch wealth of Wall Street but she was courted for the live action adaptation of ghost in the Shell and she was a main member of the cast for ABC's attempt at a network madman successor Pan Am doubtless she brings beauty to the film but I'm more interested in seeing what Scorsese saw to select her to hold her own against DiCaprio even more interesting is that Robbie will be coming off a film starring directly opposite Smith in 2015's focus where Smith plays a seasoned con man who gets romantically involved with Bobby's character and begins teaching her the tricks of the trade that they signed on together for suicide squad suggests that the to have a good working relationship and they trust their chemistry together to work on screen again if you watched the salt Argo you know that Harleys dalliance with dead shot is a subplot of the film so we might see the idea rise again in suicide squad next up is the Academy award winner for best supporting actor Jared O since his win in 2013's Dallas buyers club he has had his choice of roles and the fact that he picks suicide squad makes for exciting speculation about the potential of this film we have John Courtney has been a leading man or a solid player in big franchises in action felt he doesn't tend to stand out but that's great in an ensemble he's typically played Americans but if they keep Harkness as an Aussie he can tap into his roots and finally we've got carved a Levine perhaps best known for being a Victoria's Secret model I know her as a radio DJ from nonstop Pop FM in grand theft auto five she has a face capable of wacky cartoon he looks one moment and then that deadpan supermodel Claire the next so I think a split personality is going to be well within her wheelhouse what we talked about the characters we talk about the casts let's just briefly touch on the creators David air is set to direct and he's obtain Oscar-nominated and winning performances in training day he's directed a number of ensemble star-studded casts and whatever reputation will Smith may have just consider that a air has just directed child above in theory also reinforced in the press releases the fact that a air is now writing the script Zack Snyder is set to produce but less to be worried about divided attentions remember that he was a producer on 300 rise of the Empire while working on Man of Steel though I expect that he'll be more involved since this film immediately follows BDS ties into the DCC you and leads into his justice league film all of that is a good thing because were going to get a more cohesive universe none of this guarantees of the movie is going to be good but it shows that Warner Bros. is fully committed towards making the DCC you work and not sitting Superman up for a fall under not making Batman carried the ball they legitimately want to make everything work from their biggest icons to their quirkiest no-name no brand property this film just doubled the number of named license characters in the DCC you it's good to contribute to the world building it's going to increase the profile Batman and Superman who preside over this world of answers a few more tidbits of news related to Batman be Superman we've seen some shots of the now dressed New Mexico's sent via local news station KR QE 13 and clear now that the set is meant to be an Adobe styled architecture which tends to take it out of the Mediterranean and acting is the muscaria as initially speculated a tyranny of style article did a feature on the BBS costume designer Michael Wilkinson in it we learn that he's doing costuming for 60 extras on the New Mexico shoot the article alleges that the shoot is projected to be hundred 40 days that the scenes are set in various international locations that the film includes over 10,000 extras and has 250 speaking roles I didn't have an intuition for whether that's a lot or a little so it a little research and a study from the top 100 films from 2012 indicates that those films averaged about 48 speaking roles per film so take that for what he will now speaking about shoot length as of December 5 shooting on BDS has wrapped to give you a little perspective on the Batman be Superman shooting schedule let's look at a couple of other films readers of the ark took just 75 days whereas the Lord of the rings trilogy took 274 days plus pickups with all three movies being filmed concurrently Jango unchained was a little under 130 days jaws shot for hundred 16 days and eyes wide shut still holds the Guinness book of world records of 400 days now we know that some of those days were spent shooting in IMAX however not the whole film as BBS has only one of the 465 mm IMAX cameras in the world the other three were with JJ Abrams for Star Wars or not can a talk about the 88 second teaser trailer that's another podcast entirely now IMAX cameras are larger heavier and noisier the only allow for shooting times between 30 seconds to two minutes and they use much more expensive film stock so IMAX is a luxury and a treat but it's not suitable for shooting a full-length feature film just yet the inclusion of IMAX means that they will have genuine material for true IMAX theaters and that can result in a box office boost no word yet on whether Batman be Superman is attempting a 3-D conversion as well remarkably very little about the plot and even the characters a Batman be Superman has leaked as it enters postproduction both Irfan a superhero match ups and of tangential relevance to the upcoming Batman be Superman is the recent tonight crossover event of flash versus arrow on the CW first with flash me arrow on season one episode eight of the flash on Tuesday followed by the brave and the bold on season three episode eight of the arrow on Wednesday night as we discussed Batman be Superman has already wrapped so it's not so much what they can learn from the crossover but what we can learn from the crossover first cross oversell both shows saw a ratings boost arrow breaking records in its target demo second aside from the friendly sparked the end of the arrow episode they leaned into one of the classic means of setting up a fight and that was basically deploying red kryptonite in the form of rainbow raider or Roy G Bigelow had to may such fights are a little bit shallow and meaningless because it's Batman fighting somebody with Superman's powers mostly not Superman the only part of Superman is the part that holds back to make these flights plausible or work and it goes without saying that it's never Superman versus a mind control Batman but it's a setup that's used time and time again some variation of influence be it poison ivy mind control*oh etc. to drive Superman into fighting as we discussed in episode two it's my preference that there conflict stems from something closer to their characters making the fight and the eventual resolution more meaningful a third thing that we learn from the flash and arrow fight is that showing a rookie superhero provides allowances or excuses for sub optimal behavior it doesn't shed flash or Superman in the best light necessarily but he can cast a justifiable or relatable reasons for their mistakes forth and finally the crossover show that these characters can have differences they can have conflicts they can still work together learn from each other and develop a stronger bond afterwards film is a TV or vice versa so I wouldn't take any these comparisons or parallels to seriously but if nothing else it with their appetites to see more superheroes come together on screen and answers okay I'm running a little long today so I'm just a handle to pieces a mail Maggie writes in with a comment regarding our last episode about the secret identity she says basically that the easiest way to solve the secret identity is to lose it she says killing Clark Kent means less of a need to preserve the identity that's an interesting idea it would tend to subjects Superman to less scrutiny and make it slightly easier to maintain but as long as Martha is still live it's still a secret that has to be I also tend to fall into the camp that at least for now Superman needs to be Clark Kent but that's another episode so interesting insight interesting idea but I hope they don't kill of Clark Kent in Batman be Superman I think it's a little bit too early but Wilson@and asks why Jor-El's AI could not have dispensed of the kryptonian's himself once he was uploaded onto the ship it Jor-El could control the ship why didn't he just send the black zero into a red sun or vent all the atmosphere was to possible answers one is that as established by Jor-El's exorcism from the scout ship his presence can be contained and eliminated I don't believe the Jor-El can control the ship necessarily because if he could he might have tried to flee from's odds approach another possible answer is another variation of the question which is it Jor-El could clearly control be atmospherics on the ship why didn't he weapon eyes that and most likely because he couldn't change it beyond the parameters already provided this is a black box of sci-fi technology we can assume that just because Jor-El can take limited command of the atmospherics or closed doors that he has absolute control over the ship and in fact both those systems are often tied to emergency fire suppression routines which may severely limit the scope of what Jor-El can do on the ship said to cut a long answer short basically Jor-El did what he could so the fact that we see him change the atmospherics and close doors that's basically all he can do and as the fire suppression explanation provides there's a reasonable reason to allow that that's all he can do you know what we got a little more times let's just a couple more questions by the way it's been raining constantly and this has been my only chance to record so I apologize if there is a sound of rain in the background loyal listener Jonathan you can thank for today's topic asks will general Zide return in Batman be Superman and my answer is no I don't think so they could do it is a flashback they can do it as a body or as a clone however most likely this question stems from Michael Shannon being spotted in Chicago with Henry However as Shannon is a Chicago native and having been raise their he needs no excuse to be in Chicago or to hang out with his cast mates personally I don't think this suggests a reprisal of the character in the film that's already jampacked with new faces what I think it does speak to is that Shannon and cavil both live up to the reputations is people you want to hang out with there's nothing obligating Shannon to socialize with cavil or vice versa and Leslie genuinely enjoy each other's company and that kind of camaraderie bodes well for the man who's going to be the face of the justice league he's can have to get along with a number of actors and it looks like Shannon likes the guy a Jonathan also asks do you think the DCC you movies will take place in chronological order of the strongest suggestion for taking place in chronological order is the Marvel cinematic universe where everything acts as a chronological progression the strongest suggestion for not following the chronological order is the number of solo films that are coming after the presumed debut of the characters on film and the presumption that solo films tend towards showing onscreen origins so for example wonder woman following Batman be Superman and all of the league solo films coming after justice league part one well honestly we only have one data point so if we follow Man of Steel then there will be a chronological progression but also flashback sequences to other periods in the past but frankly it's too soon to tell I just want good films I just want good stories and a chronological format does not necessarily dictate it being better or worse one last one will be explained Superman's suit change jump is referring to the fact that there has been subtle differences in the change to Superman's costume from Man of Steel probably the most notable one is the change of the belt buckle but there are some differences in the trim in the piping and throughout the suit will to that I'd say go back to episode two of the podcast if they take the steward of krypton approach and that's where Superman has access to kryptonian technology minute easy to explain the changes in the suit without actually having to explain it any changes can be implicitly a part of the access to technology implicitly allows for changes in the suit however these design changes are subtle enough that I don't think it necessarily wants and onscreen explanation whether or not they follow be steward of krypton approach that that's all the time you have for today. 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