Diana is not saying, “I rejected humanity and condemn them for their division.”
She’s saying, “I spared them my divinity because it doesn’t work with their division.”
Defining The Controversy
I continue to see confusion about the sequence of events and statements, so to make it explicitly clear: Diana defeats Ares, then [by her own timeline] she walks away from mankind, she fights Doomsday, and she tells Bruce she walked away, Bruce sends her the original photo, and it is then that Wonder Woman says, “So I stay, I fight, and I give for the world I know can be. This is my mission now. Forever.” Before leaping into the light in our time.
We have no explicit indication that she has been doing this between defeating Ares and defeating Doomsday other than her statement that she’s killed “things”- plural- from other “worlds”- again plural- before. So Diana’s last lines in Wonder Woman come after Dawn of Justice and are not in contradiction with BvS. Anything based on the last lines is a comprehension error and not a contradiction.
However, contradiction can still be alleged based on the explicit statement that Diana believes in love… and the general idea or attitude that she is an irrepressible activist.
Concisely, “If you love, you can’t walk away.” and/or “Heroes can’t walk away.”
Lex Luthor leaves many confused. What follows is an explanation of Lex’s motives and machinations, then exploded and examined with in-story support. Inspired by episode 42 of MOSAIC.
We’ll largely stick to in-story sources, although everything discussed is supported by second-tier continuity like the Forbes feature, Wired interview, World of Batman v. Superman promotional comics, TimeOut travel guides, etc. For example, it’s fun trivia that Clark and Lex share the middle-name Joseph, but not vital for any deduction or conclusion.
First we’ll outline everything in the affirmative, Lex’s motive, machinations, and moves:
- Expose “power can be innocent” as a lie.
That’s it. Everything essentially comes from this multi-layered motive. Lex means to enact this motive through several big-picture plans.
- Demonize Superman
- Manipulate Batman to Beat Superman
- Gain Exclusive Entrance to Ship
- Develop Doomsday
The first plan is the main plan. The second plan arises after it is clear Senator Finch won’t publicly legitimize his position. The third plan ties everything together and creates the fourth plan. The first three big-picture plans encompass the Lex’s moves until he learns from the ship, when he calls the fourth as an audible. The final plan covers his moves in the second half of the film.
- Preparation & Planning
- Import License
- Entering Ship
- Develop Doomsday
- Distract Superman
These big events encompass the main moves Lex makes in order to accomplish his machinations for his motive. Let’s break it down as a sequence of events expressed in the affirmative for Lex. read more
Apparently fertile ground for the imagination, this is only a fraction of the videos that came up.
Disclaimer: As of 3PM EST, I haven’t watched these videos to check for content or quality.
I’ve received a lot of thoughtful responses to Zack Loves Superman. Many positive which I appreciate, but also some with additional concerns, which I’d like to address.
They raise plenty of good points that nothing in the video is relevant if Snyder is unreliable- either not completely honest about his feelings, playing politics, or if his feelings have changed- or if, irrespective of his feelings, Warner Brothers is mandating an emphasis on Batman in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. In either of those cases, I would tend to agree, but I’d also hope that neither situation is the case. We’re operating on very limited information. We have yet to see a single frame of confirmed footage or one iota of official plot. In the absence of facts our reactions are being guided by our emotions and pre-conceived notions and prejudices more than anything else.
Thus in the absence of such facts, I’m electing to be hopeful. I’m deciding to be optimistic. That choice makes anticipation for this film a wonderful, rather than a hand-wringing, experience.
Statistically speaking, of course, it’s still the safest way to travel.
Facts, inferences, evidence, and data can help quell anxiety, but even they can’t convince someone committed to worry or a position of dread. Of course, their fears could ultimately be entirely justified… but what a way to spend the next year of your life! (Or half-decade if including the other slated DCCU films!) I can only offer you some meager arguments… for those who want to believe, have faith, and have hope. I can’t prove the future will be good. I can’t make you hope. However, I can try to share mine. read more
Nov. 5 update: Remastered video, normalized audio, and added footage of Snyder saying Superman is his favorite superhero.
- Some Superman fans are afraid that Superman is going to be disrespected by Batman at Snyder’s hand in the upcoming Batman v. Superman.
- Some believe that the realistic tone of Man of Steel shows favoritism towards Batman.
- Some fear that Snyder prefers Batman over Superman and that alleged bias means building up Batman at Superman’s expense.
- Some fear Snyder is trying to adapt The Dark Knight Returns into BvS and shoehorn its Superman into the DC Cinematic Universe.
- There are concerns that BvS will be a Batman-centric film and that Superman will be short-changed his development before Justice League.
While combing through hours of interviews for Man of Steel Answers Insight Commentary (MOSAIC), I’ve quickly put together some of Snyder’s comments which would tend to dispel or address those fears.
BvS is not a DKR adaptation. It’s a film that will develop Superman to the point that we can get to a Justice League. After carefully cultivating a realistic tone for us to relate to Superman, Snyder isn’t going to betray that for Batman. Snyder holds Superman in too high regard for that.
Please excuse this draft until I can get my hands on better video editing software.
For additional insight into the minds of the filmmakers:
Official Press Release
Cited in relevant part:
And, in a massive expansion of the Studio’s DC Entertainment-branded content, Warner Bros. Pictures and New Line Cinema will release a slate of at least 10 movies—as well as stand-alone Batman and Superman films—from 2016 through 2020 that expands this prized universe of characters:
- “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice,” directed by Zack Snyder (2016)
- “Suicide Squad,” directed by David Ayer (2016)
- “Wonder Woman,” starring Gal Gadot (2017)
- “Justice League Part One,” directed by Zack Snyder, with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams reprising their roles (2017)
- “The Flash,” starring Ezra Miller (2018)
- “Aquaman,” starring Jason Momoa (2018)
- “Shazam” (2019)
- “Justice League Part Two,” directed by Zack Snyder (2019)
- “Cyborg,” starring Ray Fisher (2020)
- “Green Lantern” (2020)
“The Hollywood Masters: Charles Roven”
- Christopher Nolan is an executive producer with his wife, but involved in an advisory capacity, including the casting of Ben Affleck.
- Amused by the reaction to Affleck’s casting.
- Affleck’s casting motivated by having a very mature Batman, juxtaposed against a young Superman, who could carry a sense of experience, with physical stature over Superman.
- Affleck was their first choice.
- Snyder reached out to Affleck first, but there was a pre-existing familiarity, particularly since The Dark Knight and The Town were acclaimed at the same time (likewise for Rises and Argo). There was a studio relationship when Affleck was attached to an earlier version of American Hustle.
- Affleck signed after understanding Snyder’s vision, which has Wayne as a much more “social animal” and Batman is much more a “rough guy.”
- “Wonder Woman is in it, we know that. She has powers. She’s a goddess. A half- a demigod- she’s a demigod. She- her father was Zeus.”
Answer: Lou Reed in his 1990 song, “Modern Dance” (album: Ecstasy) has the lyric.
How does that line, “dick splash”, overpass instructions, and more figure into Man of Steel?